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October 23, 2012

Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn Python

Filed under: info — Steve @ 12:14 pm

This was on our email list recently:

For a project I’m deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of it in Python. I’m well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented), anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn’t going to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and other absolute beginner issues?

For what it’s worth, I’m probably going to start with Python 2.7 and jump into 3 when I’m done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only from what I understand).

Thanks!

Dan

P.S. I’m watching this guys Python tutorial videos. Good video production value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you’re quick with the pause button.

Chad: Check out: a byte of python

Jay: Dive into python is probably the best free resource for learning the language along with the python pocket reference once you’ve got the basics down.

Eli: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ is really good, I leaned using that and haven’t seen anything as else as good for someone who’s already a programer.

With that and the language reference at http://docs.python.org/reference/index.html you have all you need.

Tim: Wow, that was timely. I just answered this less than a day ago for someone off list. My response below (and yes I do write books in response to IM questions, thank you very much ^_^):

Hitchhikers guide to python” is better than most of the books I’ve purchased for it. It’s a lot like Dive Into Python (the good parts of DIP), but actually updated: http://docs.python-guide.org

The “official documentation” is better by far than docs for many other languages I’ve seen. Nice examples, good organization (IMHO), etc. http://docs.python.org/

Start with the hitchhikers guide, then use docs.python.org for reference and further reading. If you do come across someone who needs the “I wanna program” level stuff, or even just a refresher or project to get working in the language, the thing that I point to for people to learn python is http://learnpythonthehardway.org/. Goes through it like a class, free (HTML version), question/answer stuff, self exams, etc.

One of the first things when people start working here that aren’t used to python but might be touching my code is to send them through that book. Where it falls down is teaching libraries, advanced usage of things like decorators etc. but lo and behold, that’s where the hitchhiker’s guide shines ^_^

Once you’re through the hitchhikers guide and comfortable digging through the official docs, you’re as up to speed as a vast majority of the non-professional python people I’ve come across. From that point, it’s maybe hitting PyPi (think CPAN) to check out if there’s a library to do something specific, or digging through the official docs. You pretty much just keep referencing docs.python.org to look up how to do X or what that one exception type was you used that one time.

FYI – Remember to look in the official lib first. Python is much more “batteries included” than many languages, perl included (IMHO).

Matthew: There is a nice low cost and terse book called “Python phrasebook” by Brad Dayley which does a good job of explaining the language and demonstrating how to do various common tasks. Reading through it will help you understand the language and it has lasting value as a small desk-side reference for those times when you need to jog your memory.

An answer to a question you didn’t ask that you need to be aware of is that the Python community is in a transition while the language makes a somewhat major shift. Python 2.7 and Python 3.3 are both supported versions of Python and are different enough that you can get confused if you’re not aware of it.

I wish I could say, “As a new comer to Python, definitely start with Python 3.x,” but alas there are some really great python modules that haven’t quite yet added Python 3 support. (For example, it is still experimental with Django)

Worse, there are few good books that focus on Python 3. So there is a good chance that you will write your code with Python 2.7. There’s nothing wrong with this, but you should be aware of it. For example, if you’re using Ubuntu 12.10 you’ll have to install Python 2.7 with apt. If you’re using Windows make sure to download the proper version.

Jeff: I would suggest a read over the Zen of Python http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/

When coming from another language, understanding the goals of the language helps when you are transitioning/learning. I believe it helps resolve the mental dissonance that occur when you encounter “Why to they do X when I use to to X’ or Y in my previous language?”

I get quite a bit out of reading well written code in the target language. My first experience with Python was an mp3 server script (edna.py) happily written by Greg Stein (a good programmer). I was coming from a C, VB, Pascal type languages.

March 21, 2012

March Meeting Info – v2

Filed under: info,Uncategorized,UpcomingEvents — Steve @ 9:28 am

Jeff will be presenting the opening round of our todo.txt respin with python for the “New to Python or Programming” section.  The goals for the night’s section will be:

  •  Defining the problem
  •  Initial architecture of the solution
  •  Building a corner-stone class
  •  Writing our first tests (not necessarily in that order <g>)

To get ready for the fun, bring a laptop or device with:

We don’t have an advanced level talk set in stone yet, so if you are yearning to talk about a project you are working on, something in the standard or 3rd party libs that saved your bacon or just made you say “Cool.” We’d love to have you tell us about it. No experience required.

Door Prize: O’Reilly Python Book.

Wednesday, March 21st at 7pm.  See the where and when page for directions.

In the future Jeff plans on doing a session on supporting Python 2 and 3 just like CherryPy does.   And since he plans on using Tox which was written by Holger Krekel (the same guy who develops py.test) we figured now would be a good time for us to tryout py.test.

 

 

 

March 14, 2012

February Meeting

Filed under: info — Steve @ 9:48 pm

In case anyone is wondering, we are still alive.  We had a very well attended meeting at the undisclosed Google office in a neighboring, not to be named state.  Thanks to all the guys who hosted!

Details on the March meeting coming soon.

June 20, 2011

Omaha Python Users Group Meeting, June 20, 2011

Filed under: info,MeetingNotes — JeffH @ 8:47 pm

Tonight’s Meeting:

Joe talked about the 2 semester course he attended at Iowa Western on Linux Engineering.

Steve talked about Code Like a Pythonista, by David Goodger.  He thinks it is a great resource.  I agree with him. (So much I did a presentation on David’s material back in 2008).  Steve also liked the Python Challenge.  He has made it though the first 5 or 6 so far and hopes to make it all the way through.

Joe brought up the fact that Full Circle Magazine – has released two specific Python issues, Issue 1 and Issue 2.

Jeff brought a Code editor that he likes, Editra.  It is a very nice, rapidly advancing development environment.  If you are in the market you should take a look if Komodo or PyCharm are turning your head.

A non-python, learn how to program environment is MIT’s Scratch.  Joe likes Snake Wrangling for Kids.

 

 

October 18, 2010

October 18 Meeting Location

Filed under: info — Steve @ 5:30 pm

Tonight we will be meeting at the Panera Bread at 7825 Dodge St., 7pm.  Hope to see you then.

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